Hello all! I’ve only got a few sets of results for you guys tonight (a mix from Monday and Tuesday), as it seems most teams are gearing up for the Super 16 and Rockland County Championships this weekend.
As I’ve mentioned previously, I’ll be covering the Super 16 on Saturday at White Plains, while Jake Thomases is heading to Tappan Zee for the Rockland Championships. I can assure you that we will have each tourney covered inside and out, with full results up that night.
I spoke with coach Tony Iasiello from White Plains and coach Peter Dene from Tappan Zee tonight to arrange for the seedings to be sent over in the next few days. I’m hoping to have those up for you on Thursday, but Friday will be the absolute latest.
Before I give you the scores, I wanted to briefly touch on an ongoing debate within the comments section of the blog. Old skool and sw1ss have each raised valid points in regards to the quality of competition in D1 schools compared to D2 schools. Let’s remember to try and avoid anything that might be perceived as disrepectful, but I think both arguments are very well thought out.
Without a doubt, outside of Nanuet, there are probably 15-20 D1 schools who are better than any other D2 school. School size certainly has something to do with that, but I think reputation is just as much of a factor. If you go to Fox Lane, John Jay, New Rochelle, Mahopac or even Nanuet, wrestling is something you probably hear about everyday. The school gets excited about big name wrestlers, and younger kids who look up to them want to get into the sport. Same goes for New Rochelle football, Mount Vernon basketball, Suffern hockey and Mamaroneck baseball. Those schools have more success setting up youth programs, which are essential to developing a top-notch program. Look at a sport like lacrosse, which is huge at schools such as Yorktown and John Jay, but struggles at schools where students aren’t picking up a stick until their freshmen year. Experience at a young age matters.
I think old skool’s point about coaching is legitimate. A good coach can energize nearly any program, although some may take more time than others. A D2 school can establish itself as a consistent contender with the right coach at the helm, and over time as that school gains recognition for it’s wrestling, the youth movement will follow. Pretty soon, the number of kids coming out during wrestling season will double, giving that coach a deeper talent pool from which to choose.
As with any sport, the smaller schools are also going to struggle against the larger schools. To be frank, that’s why we give more coverage to the larger schools. With that said, that doesn’t mean that a wrestler from a D2 school (be it Aslanian, Occhipinti, Osleeb, Paratore, etc.) can’t beat some of the best D1 wrestlers. Just because a D2 team can’t compete with a D1 school at a Dual Meet doesn’t mean that an individual can’t.
I really think that this argument works both ways, but the important thing to remember is that any wrestler can beat anyone on any given day. I think it would be neat to combine every school for sectionals and see who comes out on top. Just because a guy wrestles for a D2 school doesn’t make him any less of a wrestler, but unfortunately the D1 guys are usually going to be better; mainly because they get to compete against better competition on a week-to-week basis.
Anyone else care to weigh in? (no pun intended)
Here’s the results:
Mahopac 49, Carmel 27
At Mahopac, Monday
96—Mike DiNardo (M) pin John Knox, 0:35; 103—Zack Boker (M) pin Vinny DeBellis, 1:48; 112—Nick Roselino© pin. Brendan Camastro, 1:35; 119—Danny Quarto (M) pin Jesse Barticadp, 3:58; 125—Mike Camastro (M) dec. Tom Davidson, 5-3; 130—Joe Caporale© dec. Max Bachmeier, 2-0; 135—Steve Pagliucca (M) maj. dec. Chris Pecora, 18-5; 140—Vince Pecora© dec. Nick Puoplo, 7-2; 145—James Auteri© pin. Tim Bunyea, 4:28; 152—Billy Dargan (M) dec. Jamie Muteahey, 5-2; 160—Tom Viento (M) pin Ryan Moran, 2:36; 171—Nick Bocchino (M) pin Chris Sertile, 1:28; 189—Mike Spinelli (M) pin. Fatmir Dervishaj, 1:01; 215—A.J. Alverez© pin. Tyler Otero, 0:57; 285—Andy Scopino (M) pin Steve Keck, 0:19.
Records—Mahopac 21-4, Carmel 15-12.
Suffern 68, Nyack 15
At Suffern
96 — Mike Koodin (Sf) pin. Nick Lopez 1:03; 103 — Alex Oliveto (Sf) won by forfeit; 112 — Asher Kramer (Sf) won by forfeit; 119 — Prashant Thakur (Nk) dec. Ryan Smith 6-1; 125?— Justin Artrip (Sf) pin. James Giraldez 3:06; 130 — Greg Yaniga (Sf) tech. fall. Kessler Felix 18-2; 135 — Willie Pierc (Sf) pin. German Lucero 1:59; 140 —?Peter Dorf (Sf) won by forfeit; 145 — Lou Rawiszer (Sf) dec. Jacob Lieberman 11-4; 152?— Nick Giella (Sf) won by forfeit; 160 — Nick Kantor (Sf) won by forfeit; 171?— Bryant Quchiz (Sf) won by forfeit; 189?— Joe Cummings (Nk) pin. Mike?Rodriguez 1:24; 215 — Bryan Burger (Sf) won by forfeit; 285?— Steven Maldonado (Nk) won by forfeit.
Records — Suffern 13-5.
Sleepy Hollow 57, Scarsdale 24
At Scarsdale
103 — Mike Hodges (Sc) by forfeit; 112 — John Tambunting (Sc) pin Edgar Patino, 1:38; 119 — Juan Pablo Loja (SH) pin Daniel Jureller, 3:06; 125 — Edwin Jimenez (SH) pin James Hill, 3:39; 130 — Joe Koshakow (Sc) pin Edwin Lopez, 4:42; 135 — Steven Bencosme (SH) tech. fall Adam Meyer; 140 — Chris Lopez (SH) pin Trevor Schrier, 1:35; 145 — Gabriel Palacios (SH) pin Eric Berman, 3:31; 152 — Adam Hofling (SH) pin Jake Feingold, 2:11 ; 160 — Ben Hofling (SH) by forfeit; 171 — Dondrey Sharrock (SH) dec. Jacob Berkowitz, 5-3; 189 — Jack Braun (Sc) pin Kayzon Stovall, 1:02; 215 — Michael Segarra (SH) pin Isaiah Genis, 1:17; 285 — Frank Curnaj (SH) by forfeit.
23 Comments
berkowitz isn’t going to win come sectionals he can’t even beat a lesser ranked kid bumping up from 160
Vincent I dont think you realized that Pleasantville was 19 and 3 last year with their only losses to Fox Lane and Sleepy by one and Mahopac. So D 2 teams can compete with D1 teams. Pville is on the rise they have many freshman and sophmores this year and will be back to where they were in one or two years and stay their for a while because their pee wee program is very strong
berkowitz has a much higher chance of winnig at 171 than 189
considering that A. sharock will be at 160 and B. he has beaten coyne, which means hes right in the mix with coyne and mchugh
I dont think that he would be able to win 189
hows he gonna beat coyne if he can’t beat sharrock
Sharock wrestles good sometimes and other times just wrestles really bad
he already beat coyne that is what i am saying, he beat him over the summer apparently
and coyne has beaten mchugh and mchugh has beaten coyne and coyne has beaten and lost to berkowitz…so baisically all 3 are tied to win sections lol
the dude, mcugh has beaten coyne the last 2 times the wrestled.
Off season doesnt count!!! were both wrestlers training full time? were they at their wrestling weight or their walking around weight? was it a regulation 6 minute match? Was it with official referee? was it folkstyle or freestyle/grecco? Was one guy working on new stuff he learned while the other guy was just trying to win? too many factors go into off season matchups. thats why its called off season.
Vince-
I want to compliment you on this most recent post. Well argued with good analogies. Local community momentum fuels sports dynasties. It makes breaking into the upper echelon tough for the middle contenders and can kill lower-performing programs.
The dynamic that has evolved between the HS coach and the ‘outside program’ trainers could be an interesting thread for you to pursue in another post.
Are there any D-2 teams competing in the Super 16 this week end?
nanuet i believe
nevermind haha i am getting old i forgot they will be at rockland county tournament
Anyone have a full list of teams for super 16? I believe I heard Westlake might be there, Croton, Ardsley & Dobbs have gone in the past.
One of the ?unexpected results of the current point system and the way coaches are maximizing the number of matches (up to 50) per kid is that many of these late season tournements that used to be really strong are now much weaker because kids have to sit out. We’ll see what happens this week.
Super 16 – White Plains, Mahopac, Carmel, Mt. Vernon, Ossining, Harrison, Dobbs Ferry, Hen Hud, Fox Lane, Croton-Harmon, Sleepy Hollow, Yonkers, Ardsley, Westlake, Yorktown, Horace Greeley (so to answer OLD COACH’s question, there will be four D2 teams)
RCC – North Rockland, Suffern, C-North, C-South, Tappan Zee, Nyack, East Ramapo, Pearl River and Nanuet
In regards to the discussion about school size, the easy answer is it’s a pretty complicated issue. When there was no 2 division system, Sleepy hollow had some dominant teams consistently in the 90’s. In recent years Pleasantville, Nanuet, Ardsley have all had very strong teams. Speaking of those “weak” large schools many forget that Mt Vernon historically may arguably be the most successful program. Many of the best programs over the last 20? Yrs are mid-range in size.
Like I said it’s pretty complex, the small schools in long island aren’t really good, the small schools upstate are dominating. Yes a motivated coach can set up a strong program but obviously needs a really good feeder system from youth & modified. The small schools in our area have a tough time sustaining, one light grade can kill your team for a couple of Yrs. Like we all debate, a lot is probably based on camps, clubs, year-long wrestling, etc.. No matter how great the program is you still need the horses and a school with 500 kids you may just be unlucky.
I realize all of the reasoning/explanations, I still don’t like the 2 div. System but it’s not going anywhere. There have been a number of different proposals but probably because of money reasons, probably no change coming.
Super 16 no new rochelle, john jay cr, Brewster, or somers? are mahopac and fox lane kids who went to eastern states sitting this tournament out?
my predictions if fox lane and mahopac have thier full teams
1. fox lane
2. mahopac
3. carmel
4. sleepy
5. yorktown
RCC
1. north rockland
2. suffern
3. c north
4. nanuet
5. c. south
From my understanding last year Fox Lane didn’t bring all there guy’s but I hear they are this year. I hear Mahopac is bringing most of its team minus Srednicki who I heard is no longer on the team. What is the deal with this coach he cost himself the league title by throwing off 2 starters and now his best wrestler?
berkowitz’s loses to coyne and sharrock were both extremly close matches, when he lost to coyne last year it as by two in the last couple of seconds in the match, and to sharrock he lost in overtime. also to say that berkowitz can’t beat sharrock is incorrect, although he did lose anyone who watched the match coulde tell that if they wrestled again it could go either way
mahopac coach is showing no wrestler is bigger than the team, very few coaches would would sacrifice winning in order to make a point. good for him!
pacman
So let me get this right he cost his team league, super 16, a push for Sections by throwing his best wrestler off? How about the rest of the team I’m sure they aren’t happy about that. Didn’t he cost his team league last year by benching Flamio against Carmel? To me he has gone overboard huh pacman?
Thank you for the information about the super 16, but if Mahopac isn’t at full strength and New Rochelle isn’t there, it looks like Fox lane and the mediocre 15.
IowaWay: Winning isn’t everything on this level. The choice is up to each individual your either part of the team or your out. I have seen too many good coaches and teams who lowered their standards for a kid and get bit on the a—in the long run. Better the kid learns now or gets eaten up as he gets older.
just ask the OHS kids when coach ken was only worried about one kid cost them a sectional championship,and six kids not wrestling that day.they were all bummed up and down line up and couldnt make weight.
al4472
You said:”I have seen too many good coaches and teams who lowered their standards for a kid and get bit on the a—in the long run.”
I am curious. What good coaches? What teams?